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apmasphere News The Joys of Property Management – VCAT

posted on 13/10/11 with 385 views, 4 comments and has been rated (15) times
apmasphere apmasphere administrator  apmasphere  Sydney  NSW

 

The Joys of Property Management – VCAT

Hi People,

We stumbled across this blog post from apmasphere member Clare Verrall yesterday, and we were immediately WOW'd! So, we asked if we could repost it here for you guys to soak up. Clare is one of these people that keep going from strength to strength, starting as a Leasing Consultant, her career has run the gamut of positions, eventually landing a role as PM Department Head for a global development company.

Clare now spends her time in Melbourne as a Recruitment Consultant for the very industry that gave her her start. Read the article below, and check out her blog, some great reading to be had. Thanks Clare!!!

You can also follow Clare on Twitter.

I was chatting to a Senior Property Manager friend this weekend about the joys of Property Management & she told me about a situation she had just had with a tenant.

The tenant was being evicted for rent arrears & became increasingly abusive throughout the process. The warrant of possession was eventually obtained & the tenant elected to vacate the night before the warrant was to be actioned. When my friend went to carry out the final inspection she found a delightful little message written in the dirty pavers by the tenants just for her.

We had a bit of a chuckle about the effort the tenant had gone to in order to really get his message across & I told her to let me know what happened at the VCAT hearing for the property the following week.

She sent me the following email advising me how the hearing went this morning & gave me permission to share it with you, but has requested to remain anonymous.

“You would think that VCAT would learn some form of consistency in their orders, but alas it seems this is still not the case.

This week I attended what I thought would be a fairly straight forward hearing. Difficult tenants who were evicted for rent arrears. I claimed most of the bond to cover rent arrears, steam cleaning costs (due to no receipt being provided despite numerous attempts to have this produced), VCAT application fees, registered post fees and paver cleaning. I anticipated that the rent and cleaning costs would be an easy one, while the fees would not be awarded – I have tried to claim the fees at owners’ requests in the past and the Member has always turned down flat.

The Member heard both our sides and came up with the following order:

  • Rent – awarded in full.
  • VCAT application fee for 2 hearings – awarded at $39.50 each, and registered post costs awarded at 2x$5.00 registered post charges. This, in itself was quite a shock.
  • Steam cleaning costs – not awarded as the tenant said he cleaned them. The receipt was unfortunately taken by aliens when he was abducted and probed. That’s obviously why he couldn’t produce the receipt.

The most shocking part of the order was the paver cleaning. Now, call me crazy, but I thought this part was a no-brainer. The tenants were evicted for rent arrears. There were numerous abusive emails from the tenant to me about how unfair it was that I was going to evict him just because he didn’t pay his rent (the injustice of it all!).

The tenants finally handed back keys overnight on a Tuesday at around 11pm. The final inspection was carried out Wednesday 10am & I discovered the lovely message demonstrating the tenants’ extensive vocabulary written on the dirty pavers. The Member who shall remain nameless asked the tenant if they did it.

The response was “No”.

The member then started reading out his order stating the cleaning cost would not be covered. At this point, I piped up and started firing up asking what grounds this decision was reached. The response was simply:

“Because he swore on the bible he didn’t do it”. Now, as shocked as I am his hand didn’t burst into flames when he swore himself in. I thought this was THE most ridiculous reason to base an order on! I started throwing questions at him like “Do we need cameras installed in each property to prove a tenant caused damage?”, “Does this mean if carpet is badly stained in a property, and there is no one there to witness it, it isn’t the tenants fault if they promise (without their fingers crossed) that they didn’t do it?” He didn’t say much to this, but went on with his order.

In short, the only logical explanation for the paver profanity is apparently this:
The tenants handed back possession and went and tucked themselves into bed after a warm cup of milk. At around 1am, someone scaled the walls of the secure building (with a gurney in hand) and proceeded to leave me a little note without waking a single soul. After creatively leaving this message in the pitch black, they jumped the fence again and ran off into the night never to be seen again.

Obviously that makes much more sense than these tenants; who have no issue refusing to pay rent & blaming everyone around them when they are finally evicted doing something as unthinkable as perjuring themselves at VCAT”

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therentalman therentalman on 13/10/11
   

Just so true.. seems VCAT is no better than QCAT. See my discussion here 'A Cautionary Tale'. These forms of Tribunal make a mockery of themselves that honest folk like us just doing their job can only shake their heads at. Interesting to note the Member's response "because they swore on the Bible" The swearing in is not to indicate that we will tell the truth, nor does it then bind the Tribunal to believe every word we say. It is to provide a remedy to the Court if we are found to be deceptive in our submissions. However, as the normal 'rules of evidence' do not apply in these tribunals, neither does the 'swearing in' procedures, and the Tribunal member simply has the discretion to rule in any way it sees fit. This in essence is the problem with this system and leaves all of us in a very bad position. It's a pity that the Member here did not have the guts to speak truthfully as to why he was ruling in that way, rather than admit his soft attitude to tenancy..

Such is life under the current regime of 'social responsibility..'

Bash on colleagues, and remember, it's only a job. Don't ever lose your sense of humour, and good on Clare for at least challenging the Member during his ruling. We should all adopt this attitude and give it right back at them.

Ian Morrison

rentmpm rentmpm on 17/10/11
WE only do Rentals...!!  Mareeba Property Management  Mareeba  Queensland
   

Pamda is a joke but QCAT is an even better one!. No consistency and a definite bias towards the poor tenants, so hard done by those vicious evil real estate people.!! We have tried to stand up to "your Honour" with very little results. It seem obvious to me that the only lying mongrel are those deceiving RE people.....The only Aim, according to the Magistrate, of Property Mnagers is 1) give all tenants a bad name 2) Get the bond!!!!

As far as the driveway is concerned, that happened the same night and by the same alien that took the carpet cleaning receipt.......And we still find landlords that think that the only thing we do is collect rent!!!!!!!!!!!! 

therentalman therentalman on 17/10/11
   

Absolutely right mpm.. there is a certain social agenda in place at the moment that we as an industry are a victim of..and our clients. It astounds me that the Property Law Act ie: the owner has the lawful right to possess his own property..is being subverted by these ill informed people.

I await the day when a tribunal 'member' causes a real loss and someone sues for negligence, and wins.. but then I just tried that through appeal and complaint procedures and ran smack into the wall of 'institutional deniability', so it won't be easy.

Hang in there Red Rover.. our day will come again when the courts will actually support and uphold the regulations of Residential Tenancy for us all...

Ian Morrison

Mareeba Mareeba on 17/10/11
I.T. Marketing  Mareeba Property Management  Mareeba  QLD
   

In General I'm very much an optimist...... but ( There is always a But) this time I must say that yeaph Pink elephants will fly.... before the courts will find in the Landlord favour!!

 
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Nominations close for the REIQ Awards for Excellence on 26/10/09?
Oct 3, 2009 3:00pm by apmasphere
The REIA National Awards for Excellence will be held in March 2010 in SA?
Oct 3, 2009 2:59pm by apmasphere
apmasphere is launching a Jobs Board in the Forum?
Oct 3, 2009 2:59pm by apmasphere
The REIA launched their new look website on 1st October?
Oct 3, 2009 2:57pm by apmasphere
NZ property management legislation is changing?
Oct 3, 2009 2:57pm by apmasphere
Ray White have announced their Wealth Conference and apmasphere memers are invited to attend?
Oct 3, 2009 2:56pm by apmasphere
You can request apmasphere to create Letters and Documents for you?
Oct 3, 2009 2:55pm by apmasphere
apmasphere has three members from the USA?
Oct 3, 2009 2:54pm by apmasphere
apmasphere has 873 members?
Oct 3, 2009 2:52pm by apmasphere
The Federal Government's insulation rebate for landlords increased on 1st September to $1600?
Oct 3, 2009 2:51pm by apmasphere
Sold Magazine has a new baby borther? Leased has just launched its first issue.
Oct 3, 2009 2:50pm by apmasphere
KatieK's Profile is the 10th most viewed page on apmasphere?
Oct 3, 2009 2:50pm by apmasphere
Debbie Copley of Toop & Toop R/E in SA & apmasphere member is nominated for PM of the Year REISA?
Oct 3, 2009 2:49pm by apmasphere
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